How to Feed Buildings in Albion Online

16. Mai 2020, 17:18

Have you ever seen this when you mouse over a building in your city or hideout minimap?

Did you ever wonder what that means?

Well, let me tell you:

The "Reward" mentioned here is a Silver payout anyone can recieve when they deliver food to a building.
Yes, you can get paid from the building-owner for bringing and delivering food to his building! Wow.
Let's look into the details.

If you find a building that has a payout set by the building owner either by looking through your mini-map or by finding the silver-symbol when you walk to a building you can deliver the food and get paid!

Building with no silver-payout set vs building that has a silver-payout enabled:

To deliver food into a building you need to walk up to it and click it.

Then you have to click on the face of the worker you see in the building UI menu.

Click here:

This will open an additional menu of the building UI, which looks like this.
Here you need to scroll down!

Now you can drag your food from your inventory (or via shift-left click) into the square on the left side and a confirmation box will appear!

If you are happy with the Silver payout, then you can click on Submit and BOOM, you're rich!

But now for the hard part!

How do you know wether or not the payment is actually making you money?
(scroll down tor part#2 in the post below!)

16. Mai 2020, 23:30

To understand the next part, you have to know something about buildings and food.

Food:

Crafted foods have a Nutrition Value. You can see it if you have one single food in your inventory and click it.
These are different for each type of food.

Buildings:

Buildings and their Silver payouts for "feeding" them can be set to a Silver-payout-value per 1000 Nutrition .
Now this is usually where most people are confused and don't understand or give up, because it includes math.
But wait, there is one additional factor: buildings have "favorite foods". Below you can see a list of the buildings and their favorite dishes.
If you feed a building with its favorite dish, the nutrition it recieves from the food is doubled (x2) !

building	favorite dish
Lumbermill	Carrot Soup
Stonemason	Bean Salad
Smelter	Wheat Soup
Tanner	Chicken Pie
Weaver	Chicken Omelette
Toolmaker	Turnip Salad
Butcher	Cabbage Soup
Mill	Goose Omelette
Saddler	Goat Stew
Cook	Goose Pie
Alchemist	Pork Omelette
Warrior's Forge	Mutton Stew
Mage's Tower	Mutton Sandwich
Hunter's Lodge	Potato Salad

Now, after you make a little spreadsheet you can find out the nutrition values for the food like so:

As an example, if you feed a Lumbermill with Carrot Soup, it would recieve 144 Nutrition per Carrot Soup, but if you fed it with Bean Salad, it would only recieve 77 Nutrition.

Now if we go back to Silver-payouts, remember these are set up in "Reward per 1000" Nutrition and here the favorite food comes into effect as well.
Assuming the payout set by the station owner is 2000 Silver per 1000 Nutrition, then you would recieve in our example:

Lumbermill:

2000 Silver per 1000 Nutrition ; Carrot Soup (favorite food) ; 77 Nutrition ; 77 (Nutrition) * 2 (Silver per Nutrition) * 2 (favorite food) = 308 Silver per Carrot Soup
2000 Silver per 1000 Nutrition ; Bean Salad (not favorite food) ; 77 Nutrition ; 77 * 2 = 154 Silver per Bean Salad

Now this leads to all kinds of numbers and combinations, especially when you buy the food ingredients from the market to craft food yourself, factoring in focus value or station crafting fees.

But below you can see a quick cheat sheet of what kind of Reward per Nutrition value corresponds to which theoretical market price, based on calculating with a factor of 2x - assuming favorite food.

So for example, if you see a Stonemason, that has a "Reward per 1000 Nutrition" value of 2700 as in our example, that means in effect the owner is paying 416 Silver per Bean Salad.
Remember, that this is calculated using a factor of 2x, so if you would feed the Stonemason with anything else (i.e. not his favorite food), your payment would me much lower.

I hope this information is helpful for you and maybe you can make a quick buck if you see plot owners paying well for food delivery.

Please let me know, in case you see any errors in the calculations and I will fix them immediately!

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farm alot of carrots make a ton of soup and then profit, making special food is jsut a waste of money since they get as much from the shitiest soups

Zynthia schrieb:

farm alot of carrots make a ton of soup and then profit, making special food is jsut a waste of money since they get as much from the shitiest soups

BIG IF TRUE

Actually not true though.

This is a very underutilized feature specially in the royal cities. You'd be lucky to see a shop that has this enabled. Hope this feature gets polished or rework in a way that it will be viable. I'd imagine good guilds/alliances with working economy in their BZ HOs is already utilizing this feature.

Morgif schrieb:

This is a very underutilized feature specially in the royal cities. You'd be lucky to see a shop that has this enabled. Hope this feature gets polished or rework in a way that it will be viable. I'd imagine good guilds/alliances with working economy in their BZ HOs is already utilizing this feature.

It is so weird, and has so little to do with the normal lives of any players, that it's not surprising no one understands it. So the only way you can get people on this train, is by doing what Bogul is. Training players in how the game works.

If you ever think about plots, its just such a simple thing to understand, because you have this thing you care about Silver/Nutrition, that your plot runs on, and the feature displays it that way! But, if you are just trying to sell some soup you made with your wheats, you don't really know if you are getting ripped off or not, because you never had to think about how much T4 Bar that soup can make. So you have sellers stuck thinking about how many silver they can sell a single soup for, but the station is talking about random silver amounts and 1000 nutrition? People's brain's shut down.

Piddle schrieb:

Morgif schrieb:

This is a very underutilized feature specially in the royal cities. You'd be lucky to see a shop that has this enabled. Hope this feature gets polished or rework in a way that it will be viable. I'd imagine good guilds/alliances with working economy in their BZ HOs is already utilizing this feature.

It is so weird, and has so little to do with the normal lives of any players, that it's not surprising no one understands it. So the only way you can get people on this train, is by doing what Bogul is. Training players in how the game works.
If you ever think about plots, its just such a simple thing to understand, because you have this thing you care about Silver/Nutrition, that your plot runs on, and the feature displays it that way! But, if you are just trying to sell some soup you made with your wheats, you don't really know if you are getting ripped off or not, because you never had to think about how much T4 Bar that soup can make. So you have sellers stuck thinking about how many silver they can sell a single soup for, but the station is talking about random silver amounts and 1000 nutrition? People's brain's shut down.

The hard part is probably that you want to have an option for the building to accept all foods, but its too much for the UI to handle.

Ideally you would probably have to set it manually as a owner, but the displayed output should just show the food with a price next to it. So if a player walks up to it he clicks the building and sees how much silver he gets per Bean Salad or w/e.

So instead of a drop box, playes who don't have any rights on the buildings wouldn't see all the admin stuff you have to scroll past and just see a list of foods with a payout next to it. Maybe with the favorite food pinned to the top of the list.

16. Mai 2020, 23:30

In my perspective there are 2 reasons why this isn't used much, first most plot owners want to squeeze as much profit they can and usually they want to get the cheaper price possible on the silver/nutrition ratio. I remember back everyone was in Caerleon some plot owners used this feature with ridiculous low silver per 1000 nutrition because their only incentive to use this feature was to get the nutrition for cheaper. The second reason has to do with being a hard feature to see. if I always use the same plot to craft, how am I suppose to see which crafting stations have enabled this feature? nobody is going to check all plots every day to track which plots has enable it.

17. Mai 2020, 14:25

If you want to save yourself the calculations just drop the food and check how much silver you would get. If it is lesser than the amount you would get by selling it at the marketplace minus taxes then it's not convenient to put it into the shop.

Does this also work in guild island stations??

Yes.

But 95% of the time it's worse to craft on a guild island vs in the city.

9. Juni 2020, 06:33

I did some testing in regards to consuming nutrition when crafting gear.

Nutrition Consumption Testing

Resource Amountmt	Item	Tier	Ench. Level	Item Value	Nutrition Consumption	IV divided by nutrition consumpion	IV divded by res amount	nutrition consumption divided by res amount
32	heavy mace	4	0	448	32	14.0	14.0	1
32	heavy mace	4	1	960	96	10.0	30.0	3
32	heavy mace	4	2	1,728	160	10.8	54.0	5
32	heavy mace	4	3	3,264	352	9.3	102.0	11
32	heavy mace	5	0	960	80	12.0	30.0	2.5
32	heavy mace	5	1	1,983	192	10.3	62.0	6
32	heavy mace	5	2	3,776	400	9.4	118.0	12.5
32	heavy mace	5	3	7,359	832	8.8	230.0	26
32	heavy mace	6	0	1,984	208	9.5	62.0	6.5
32	heavy mace	6	1	4,031	448	9.0	126.0	14
32	heavy mace	6	2	7,872	848	9.3	246.0	26.5
32	heavy mace	6	3	15,551	1,728	9.0	486.0	54
32	heavy mace	7	0	4,032	448	9.0	126.0	14
32	heavy mace	7	1	8,127	928	8.8	254.0	29
32	heavy mace	7	2	16,064	1,808	8.9	502.0	56.5
32	heavy mace	7	3	31,935	3,568	9.0	998.0	111.5
32	heavy mace	8	0	8,128	928	8.8	254.0	29
32	heavy mace	8	1	16,319	1,888	8.6	510.0	59
32	heavy mace	8	2	32,448	3,648	8.9	1,014.0	114
32	heavy mace	8	3	64,703	7,248	8.9	2,022.0	226.5
8	knight helmet	4	0	112	8	14.0	3.5	1
8	knight helmet	4	1	240	24	10.0	7.5	3
8	knight helmet	4	2	432	40	10.8	13.5	5
8	knight helmet	4	3	816	88	9.3	25.5	11
8	knight helmet	5	0	240	20	12.0	7.5	2.5

Bogul schrieb:

I did some testing in regards to consuming nutrition when crafting gear.

Nutrition Consumption Testing

For the people that don't know. the nutrition cost per refined resource is the same for refining and crafting. Except for artifacts.

10. Juni 2020, 12:12

I have some more interesting math for you:

(you should adapt this to your own focus per craft costs to get a better idea for your own numbers)

item	tier	ench	focus per craft (max lvl)	daily amount (10k focus)
heavy mace	4	0	96	104
heavy mace	4	1	178	56
heavy mace	4	2	286	35
heavy mace	4	3	487	21
heavy mace	5	0	178	56
heavy mace	5	1	320	31
heavy mace	5	2	538	19
heavy mace	5	3	922	11
heavy mace	6	0	320	31
heavy mace	6	1	567	18
heavy mace	6	2	974	10
heavy mace	6	3	1,687	6
heavy mace	7	0	567	18
heavy mace	7	1	999	10
heavy mace	7	2	1,732	6
heavy mace	7	3	3,015	3
heavy mace	8	0	999	10
heavy mace	8	1	1,754	6
heavy mace	8	2	3,054	3
heavy mace	8	3	5,333	2

and now move that on to building crafting fees

so, if you're crafting 6.1 maces daily as a max spec crafter for a month at a 50% warrior's forge you pay 5,332,011 Silver in fees
but if you're crafting 6.1 maces daily as a max spec crafter for a month at a 10% warrior's forge you pay 1,066,402 Silver in fees

and ofc a shameless self-plug for my business: if you're crafting as an associate at my stations in Caerleon, which cost 1 million Silver per entry into a list, you're paying an effective 20% tax rate per character and much less if you're adding a guild or alliance

item	tier	ench	fee per craft: 50%	daily fee	monthly (30d)	fee per craft: 40%	daily fee	monthly (30d)
heavy mace	4	0	1,120	116,667	3,500,000	896	93,333	2,800,000
heavy mace	4	1	2,400	134,831	4,044,944	1,920	107,865	3,235,955
heavy mace	4	2	4,320	151,049	4,531,469	3,456	120,839	3,625,175
heavy mace	4	3	8,160	167,556	5,026,694	6,528	134,045	4,021,355
heavy mace	5	0	2,400	134,831	4,044,944	1,920	107,865	3,235,955
heavy mace	5	1	4,958	154,922	4,647,656	3,966	123,938	3,718,125
heavy mace	5	2	9,440	175,465	5,263,941	7,552	140,372	4,211,152
heavy mace	5	3	18,398	199,539	5,986,171	14,718	159,631	4,788,937
heavy mace	6	0	4,960	155,000	4,650,000	3,968	124,000	3,720,000
heavy mace	6	1	10,078	177,734	5,332,011	8,062	142,187	4,265,608
heavy mace	6	2	19,680	202,053	6,061,602	15,744	161,643	4,849,281
heavy mace	6	3	38,878	230,453	6,913,604	31,102	184,363	5,530,883
heavy mace	7	0	10,080	177,778	5,333,333	8,064	142,222	4,266,667
heavy mace	7	1	20,318	203,378	6,101,351	16,254	162,703	4,881,081
heavy mace	7	2	40,160	231,871	6,956,120	32,128	185,497	5,564,896
heavy mace	7	3	79,838	264,801	7,944,030	63,870	211,841	6,355,224
heavy mace	8	0	20,320	203,403	6,102,102	16,256	162,723	4,881,682
heavy mace	8	1	40,798	232,597	6,977,908	32,638	186,078	5,582,326
heavy mace	8	2	81,120	265,619	7,968,566	64,896	212,495	6,374,853
heavy mace	8	3	161,758	303,314	9,099,428	129,406	242,651	7,279,542
item	tier	ench	fee per craft: 20%	daily fee	monthly (30d)	fee per craft: 10%	daily fee	monthly (30d)
heavy mace	4	0	448	46,667	1,400,000	224	23,333	700,000
heavy mace	4	1	960	53,933	1,617,978	480	26,966	808,989
heavy mace	4	2	1,728	60,420	1,812,587	864	30,210	906,294
heavy mace	4	3	3,264	67,023	2,010,678	1,632	33,511	1,005,339
heavy mace	5	0	960	53,933	1,617,978	480	26,966	808,989
heavy mace	5	1	1,983	61,969	1,859,063	992	30,984	929,531
heavy mace	5	2	3,776	70,186	2,105,576	1,888	35,093	1,052,788
heavy mace	5	3	7,359	79,816	2,394,469	3,680	39,908	1,197,234
heavy mace	6	0	1,984	62,000	1,860,000	992	31,000	930,000
heavy mace	6	1	4,031	71,093	2,132,804	2,016	35,547	1,066,402
heavy mace	6	2	7,872	80,821	2,424,641	3,936	40,411	1,212,320
heavy mace	6	3	15,551	92,181	2,765,442	7,776	46,091	1,382,721
heavy mace	7	0	4,032	71,111	2,133,333	2,016	35,556	1,066,667
heavy mace	7	1	8,127	81,351	2,440,541	4,064	40,676	1,220,270
heavy mace	7	2	16,064	92,748	2,782,448	8,032	46,374	1,391,224
heavy mace	7	3	31,935	105,920	3,177,612	15,968	52,960	1,588,806
heavy mace	8	0	8,128	81,361	2,440,841	4,064	40,681	1,220,420
heavy mace	8	1	16,319	93,039	2,791,163	8,160	46,519	1,395,582
heavy mace	8	2	32,448	106,248	3,187,426	16,224	53,124	1,593,713
heavy mace	8	3	64,703	121,326	3,639,771	32,352	60,663	1,819,886

Bogul schrieb:

Yes.
But 95% of the time it's worse to craft on a guild island vs in the city.

It's not if the tax is more than 30%

ppl dont care/calculate t4 stuff, bud

3. August 2020, 08:04

one other piece of information that is potentially useful for aspiring cooks and alchemists are the following tables:

Cook

item	tier	ench	nutr. use per craft of (10)	tax fee at 20%	40%	60%	80%	100%
wheat soup	3	0	215	192	384	576	768	960
chicken omelette	3	0	65	56	112	168	224	280
chicken pie	3	0	65	56	112	168	224	280
Turnip Salad	4	0	215	192	384	576	768	960
Cabbage Soup	5	0	650	576	1,152	1,728	2,304	2,880
Goose Pie	5	0	215	192	384	576	768	960
Potato Salad	6	0	650	576	1,152	1,728	2,304	2,880
Mutton Stew	6	0	215	192	384	576	768	960
Mutton Sandwich	6	0	190	168	336	504	672	840
Pork Omelette	7	0	565	504	1,008	1,512	2,016	2,520
Beef Stew	8	0	650	576	1,152	1,728	2,304	2,880
Beef Sandwich	8	0	565	504	1,008	1,512	2,016	2,520

Alchemist

item	tier	ench	nutr. use per craft of (5)	tax fee at 20%	40%	60%	80%	100%
Minor Resistance Potion	3	0	35	64	128	192	256	320
Healing Potion	4	0	135	240	480	720	960	1,200
Minor Poison Potion	4	0	55	96	192	288	384	480
Sticky Potion	5	0	190	336	672	1,008	1,344	1,680
Major Healing Potion	6	0	485	864	1,728	2,592	3,456	4,320
Poison Potion	6	0	243	432	864	1,296	1,728	2,160
Major Gigantify Potion	7	0	648	1,152	2,304	3,456	4,608	5,760
Major Resistance Potion	7	0	810	1,440	2,880	4,320	5,760	7,200
Major Poison Potion	8	0	810	1,440	2,880	4,320	5,760	7,200
Invisibility Potion	8	0	810	1,440	2,880	4,320	5,760	7,200

This table lets you calculate the amount of monthly tax you will spend depending on your focus cost.

It will also let you estimate what taxes are people setting at their stations.

Lets assume you craft potato salad daily, with a maxed food crafter (163 focus cost per potato salad (x10)), then you can craft about 613 Potato salads daily. (10000 / 163 = 61,34 * 10 = 613,49..)

At a Cook that charges you a 60% fee, you would pay 1,728 Silver per craft, so 105,992 every time you use up your daily focus (61,34 * 1728). Compare that to a Cook that charges you a 100% fee (2,880 Silver per craft), you would be spending 176,659 Silver a day (61,34 * 2,880).

A small difference of 70,577 Silver per day, or 2,117,310 a month. Pretty big difference imo.

As a owner of a cook or alchemist however, you'd likely want to know how much your bare minimum tax rate is to pay for the consumption of food in your station.

Let's assume you are paying 1500 per Goose Pie and 3000 per Pork Omelette.
Knowing that Goose give your Cook 612 nutrition per (306 * 2, because of favorite food) and a Pork Omelette gives your Alchemist 1566 (783 * 2) Nutrition per item, you can look at the break-even points there.

Goose Pie: Market Price: 1500 divided by Nutrition (612) = 2,45 Silver per Nutrition as you base cost.

Looking at the table above, if someone crafts 10 Potato Salad at your cook it will use up 650 Nutrition or 1592,5 Silver (650 * 2,45).

So if you set your tax at 40% it charges a player 1,152 for this craft and if you set the tax at 60% it charges a player 1,728. This is why you see cooks and alchemists have higher minium fee's than other stations.

If we do the same thing for an Alchemist (3000 cost of Pork Pie divided by 1566 = 1,92 Silver cost per Nutrition) and someone crafts 5 Invisbillity potions at your station he will consume 810 Nutrition or 1555,2 Silver.

So at an Alchemist tax rate of 20% you're below what it would cost to produce or buy the Pork Omelette (1,440) and at 40% (2,880) you are well above that.

I hope someone finds this helpful. You can of course also calculate the markup you have to consider if you run your own shop etc.

Please let me know in case i messed up a value and I'll fix it asap. Looking forward to your responses.

Thank you so much for explaining this to me Bogul. Pretty useful information. Thanks.

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